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Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
I\'m not sure that\'s how it will work, but, I\'ll be glad to have accessOn Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Don\'t be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Don\'t be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
I\'m not sure that\'s how it will work, but, I\'ll be glad to have access
to more articles.
Mikek
 I know, you poor baby, your sky is falling.On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Don\'t be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
I\'m not sure that\'s how it will work, but, I\'ll be glad to have access
to more articles.
Mikek
You think the government can order a for profit business to start giving stuff away??? They have costs to cover too. The publishers were in on the policy inception at OSTP. That means they will be reimbursed.
On 9/3/2022 10:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:11:26 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Don\'t be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the taxpayer, for the accesses.
I\'m not sure that\'s how it will work, but, I\'ll be glad to have access
to more articles.
Mikek
You think the government can order a for profit business to start giving stuff away??? They have costs to cover too. The publishers were in on the policy inception at OSTP. That means they will be reimbursed.
I know, you poor baby, your sky is falling.
 Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
On 9/3/2022 10:05 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:57:16 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Don\'t be naive. The publishers will bill the federal government, the
taxpayer, for the accesses.
I\'m not sure that\'s how it will work, but, I\'ll be glad to have access
to more articles.
                                          Mikek
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
à Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
Billy the CO2 kid came forward with the following opinion:
It sucks if they haven\'t done the work required to exclude climate change denial
propaganda and similar kinds of self-reserving rubbish.
\'
DOA
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
à Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
à Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
à Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
The catch is that if the publisher can\'t charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
=C3=82 Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
The catch is that if the publisher can\'t charge people to look at the article
, they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article
where it can be read.
Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver,
if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
29bda710-fe9f-402d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
=C3=82 Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
The catch is that if the publisher can\'t charge people to look at the article
, they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article
where it can be read.
Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver,
if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
Anybody can put their work on some server for free.
Sites linking to it live from advertising, like google, sciencedaily, many others.
It sucks if such a link ends in a request for 30$ or so,
It sucks if they haven\'t done the work required to exclude climate change denial
propaganda and similar kinds of self-reserving rubbish.
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
à Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
The catch is that if the publisher can\'t charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Sep 2022 21:01:41 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
29bda710-fe9f-402d...@googlegroups.com>:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
=C3=82 Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
The catch is that if the publisher can\'t charge people to look at the article
, they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article
where it can be read.
Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver,
if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
Anybody can put their work on some server for free.
No magazines needed,
Sites linking to it live from advertising, like google, sciencedaily, many others.
It sucks if such a link ends in a request for 30$ or so,
The time for magazines like ELsevier has long past, I no longer subscribe to any...
As to peer review, in some cases it hinders progress, Einstein parroting comes to mind.
The peer check should already have happened at the University anyways.
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 2:30:21 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Billy the CO2 kid came forward with the following opinion:
There\'s nothing special about CO2. It is one of the greenhouse gases and Jan Panteltje doesn\'t know enough to appreciate what this means.
It sucks if they haven\'t done the work required to exclude climate change denial
propaganda and similar kinds of self-reserving rubbish.
\'
DOA
Any kind of lying propaganda needs to be killed off before it gets published anywhere where it might look as if had some kind of scientific authority.
Gullible twits do get upset when their favorite delusions get jeered at.
--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:01:46 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 1:47:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 3 Sep 2022 07:57:06 -0500) it happened amdx
am...@knology.net> wrote in <teviv4$2so0p$1...@dont-email.me>:
à Take that Elsevier!
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339162-white-house-bans-paywalls-on-taxpayer-funded-research
Mikek
Good
They\'re Dutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
Sounds good to me - if we paid for it once, why should we pay more?
The catch is that if the publisher can\'t charge people to look at the article , they have to charge the authors to cover the cost of putting the article where it can be read.
Grant funded researchers can get the publication cost from the grant-giver, if the grant-giver is feeling generous.
All professional publications I have dealt with, like the IEEE, ALREADY charge the authors the cost of publishing their papers.